Trying to find some numbers to derive mechanics from.
Assuming MC Ale is only created by throwing Wheat, Hops and Water into a barrel, what are realistic values for these ingridents to create somethign non-poisonous? I doubt it’s 1:1:1
I can quite easyly support a multitude of different Ale/Beer types via metadata, feel free to suggest ratios for multiple sorts.
PS: Current implementation idea: Supports any ratio from up to 4:1.
The two ranges are:
-Ratio from Hops to Wheat
-Ratio from Ingridents to Water
Another variable is the time the liquid was left in a barrel (until you plug a Treetap in, the second you do the Fermentation will stop by high-tech-treetap means).
Given the set of variables, a variety of ~240 different Beere combinations should be possible. Of course, not all of them are recommended and some might even kill Steve.
Example for Beer results:
(Be advised, i designed the system before searching appropriate terms, thus i filled a few gaps in the prefixes with semi-fitting and particulary translated terms or random rubbish which appears to fit)
Lite White Brew
Watery Full Beer
Thick Black Dragonblood (< I decided to pick the name Dragonblood for long-fermented beer, indicating it’s “strong” enough to literally burn. Sidepun at Fantasy-RPGs usually having “Dragonblood” as THE killerdrink in any pub)
Clear Alcfree Ale
Soup Beer
etc.
Note: I’ve combined the different words at random. Probably most of them won’T happen to you, unless you really intend to attempt alchemy on something simple as beer.
Report:
Implementation went suprisingly easy and the results are quite neat. The Beer effect appear somewhat balanced (using them as makeshift-potion has some serious sideeffects) and realism-oriented.
Different beer qualities and attributes influence the system well. Last thign to do is implementing the Fermenting Barrel, nothing big. :§
A pretty typical ale recipe for a 5 gallon batch would would be something like this. For what its worth
6-10 lbs barley or other grain
6 gal water
1-4 oz hops
just a thought, if you want to do lots of beer you could toast the wheat multiple times to make pale, amber, brown, dark grain. and different hop types would be cool. (i vote cascade and nugget)
Thanks for making this mod. I haven’t played mc without it since it first came out!
im new in this blogs but… your adding beer to industrial craft? 😀
Side-product of Agriculture ^^
Don’t forget to make a recipe that uses pumpkin. (Fall Ale, perhaps)
Haven’t looked at any of the Minecraft APIs yet, but if it’s possible can you program it to use an existing interface rather than create yet another task-specific machine? (If it wouldn’t irrevocably tie you to buildcraft, I’d suggest the fermenter.)
There won’t be any new machines, merely a simpel “Barrel” block.
Can you make it so lagers have to be brewed cold? Maybe having to use ice for the recipe instead of water?
Also generally more hops = more bitter beer with the delicious hoppy flavor, more grains = more malty beer with a sweeter taste. Also you can brew beer with more then just hops and wheat. Craft brewers typically have coffee stouts or some other type of coffee-beer mix; some very good, some total crap. Many specialty beers have coriander, cinnamon, nutmeg, etc in them ( good hefeweizen’s usually do have spices added).
As far as ratio of water to hops thats a choice the brewer has to make regarding taste and flavor. However, adding obscene amounts of grain/sugar/etc (basically yeast feedstock) will make beer more like brandy or strong wine, as the more food you give the yeast the more sugars they convert to alcohol and c02. “High gravity” beer usually means extra alcohol obtained by adding sugar or absurd amounts of grains. Theoretically you could make your beer have 1:1:1 ratios, it would just be more like a highly alcoholic porridge than a beer.
Highest % alcohol beer I have ever seen was around %16 and imported from Germany. In the US we have to pay out the ass to buy stuff like “arrogant bastard” to get the level of quality you Germans enjoy with your purity laws.
Do they even sell the fake piss beers like coors or millers in Germany?
Sorry got carried away and forgot to post my recipe!
IC Lite (actually already exists but this mod is more worthy of the name than the company):
20 parts water – 2 parts grain – 1 part hops
Ratio for good beers is usually much much tighter, like 1.2-2 liters of water per pound of grain (4-1), so this gives a beer akin to something a rube would enjoy. Lite on flavor and body and also on calories. Good for playing beer pong with creepers, notable sore losers.
This just inspired me to make beer fillable into tincans, with said tincans turning into throwables after drinking them.
I implore you to make the default texture for these throwables a hand-crushed can, just like one finds in our very real world.
SWEET JESUS ON A CRACKER I’M LAUGHING SO HARD AT THE BEER PONG THING! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
*ahem ahem*
I play a Tekkit server that is VERY happy to have an experienced brewer. So, that being said, from now on I will have IC Lite Lager available (12 Iron Nuggets a mug)!
isn’t mixing heavy equipment and drinking a bad idea? i mean the last time industry and booze went hand in hand without widespread destruction was medieval times
also what kind of booze is made from wheat?(ignorant mormon here) iv’e heard of it made from sugar, corn, grapes, barley, and honey. but never wheat.
“also what kind of booze is made from wheat?(ignorant mormon here) iv’e heard of it made from sugar, corn, grapes, barley, and honey. but never wheat”
If you look up the process for Moonshine, you’ll see that most plants can be converted into ethanol, which is the type of alcohol that we drink. You can distill many fruits into alcohol, which has wonderful tastes (but mind the seeds in some, as the cyanide within them WILL kill you)…
The only other alcohol that you have to beware of is Methanol, which is easily derived from Wood. This alcohol causes blindness, and is lethal in small concentrations. However, methanol does make for a good alternative fuel, and can even be used as a replacement for Lithium in fuel cells… (click link for an example)
http://www.machine-history.com/Direct%20Methanol%20Fuel%20Cell
You would use a very approximate amount of 1 pound of barley per gallon of beer. This changes obviously depending on the kind of beer and its alcoholic strength but is an averageish amount for a standard commercial style lager.
The weight of hops added is mostly testimonial. The weight doesn’t add up to much (the volume is a bit more noticeable).
Let’s imagine that each wheat “item” is equivalent to one bushel of grain (let’s say of malted barley which is 34 pounds). That would give you 34 gallons of beer which is aprox 150 litres. Now you have two options
a) Consider that each bucket holds the full 1m3 it takes from the world (yes I know, it’s a riduculous assumption, you can’t carry around 1 ton of water in a bucket). In this case you would need 6.6 wheat for every bucket of water. So 7 wheat, 1 water and 1 hops on a 9×9 grid.
b) Consider that a bucket contains say 5 gallons of liquid. In this case you would need 6,8 buckets of water for every item of wheat, leaving one spot free on a 9×9 grid for the hops.
In both cases this would give you 34 gallons of beer which you could round down to half a stack (i.e. 32)
So, basically it would be up to you to choose, for balancing purposes, if beer should be worth more wheat, or more water.
@jaf, a beer made with wheat (at least partially) is know as a Weissbier (White beer)
Argg, sorry, made a mistake. Forget the 34 gallon thing.
Option A 1 bucket = 1m3 would give you 1m3 of beer (1 bucket) at the expense of 1 bucket of water 6 wheat and 1 hops
Option b) 1 bucket = 5 gallons would give you 7 buckets of beer for 7 buckets of water, one wheat and one hops.
I say 2:5:8
Booze should give you just a little bit more attack power, and stop your hunger from lowering for a while.
This effect should also be ‘stackable’, adding the more beers you drink.
As a side effect, drinking too much booze in a short period of time would make you drunk, lowering your defense, adding the inability to ‘block’ and you start move randomly.
The drunker you are, more frequent the random moves get, and the more you walk away in each move.
So, while probably saving your life in an emergency, like starving to death or being assaulted by a monster, going anywhere dangerous (like the nether or a cave with monsters or lava) while drunk will most likely result in your death.
Still feeling like brewing a lot of booze and drinking it all at once?
Or even better, after a certain amount of beers, your WASD keys switch. Forward and backwards become left and right. That would cause some amusement 😉
It’S not easyly possible to code new PotionEffects into the game. Even less those you mentioned.
I can use the default weakness effects (check the wiki to see even the unused ones) as well as blindness andor nausea.
Why not just have a range, from a mildly alcoholic(low sugar/grain) input drink, to a high alcohol(high sugar/grain), but of course, unless you intend to make a potion effect for it, it will be pointless.
Will it cause clumsiness or something?
Drinking Beer will per default give some buffs, f.e. restore hungre (you’re effectively drinking bread) and eventually give damage resistance or something like that.
Overconsume (drunken) causes slowdown, weakness and exspecially nausea.
April is coming up guys, just remember that. ^^
I would like to suggest the inclusion of hard ciders, and perhaps using things like electrolyzed water cells, and coolant cells for the recipe (and maybe even uranium and other exotic materials, to give the beer more kick). I have had a chocolate stout that was ok. Also the water of beer is boiled before it is brewed, I would suggest that an actual heat source is used to boil the beer instead of just an electrical heater(just a thought).
For analyzing the beer:
I would be ecstatic if there was an HPLC instrument coupled with Mass analyzer (or coupled with UV absorbance with a photo diode array). Said instrument would be able to qualitatively and quantitatively analyze beer sample.
remember when 1.2 just came out and everything was annoying?
that time is back, welcome to 1.2.4!
Luckyly i got complex bitwise operations to distract me.
Seriously, stuffing the possibility of MULTIPLE different boozes + amount +attributes into 16 bits isn’t exactly easy.
sounds awesome^^ Finish the content before starting to port that sounds i most say it sounds fun 🙂
Before i can even attempt to port, we’ll need to wait for ML, MLMP and MCF. Ntm MCP.
oh forgot that…
Wait what?
What could be ale-ing someone to make himself a cold beer when he could do better things? Like blow up the world?
I kid. But still curious.
industrial craft is beginning to suffer design creep i see : (
Nah. i just want to add some sidestuff whilst improving my knowledge of bitwise operations. And potion effects.
Idea – an ale that has a wrench in the recipe and is like a potion of harming. Could call it the “Spanner in the Works”?
So, you’d like a beer that has shards of metal in it? That’s going to be a bad time for steve…
I’m in 1.2.5 and I saw rum in the creative inventory how do I brew this in survival or craft?(I’m new to industrialcraft)
Just shove 32 Sugar Cane is an Empty Booze Barrel.